Who's up for making some noise about these speakers?

Cheaper on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Pinnacle-Speakers-7-Driver-Speaker-32-Inch/dp/B0021AEQKW/ref=sr_1_2?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1346768103&sr=1-2&keywords=pinnacle+WORD PROBLEMS!+7

otakujb wrote:Cheaper on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Pinnacle-Speakers-7-Driver-Speaker-32-Inch/dp/B0021AEQKW/ref=sr_1_2?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1346768103&sr=1-2&keywords=pinnacle+WORD PROBLEMS!+7

It shows up as $299 for me, $50 more than Woot.

The 12" Subwoofer is screaming my name.

Has anyone had exp with Pinnacle, that can throw in their opinion?

I have tried to search for reviews on the dual 12". But cant seem to find any. All the reviews on pinnacle are pretty decent. Anyone have any hands on experience?

shanejhn wrote:I have tried to search for reviews on the dual 12". But cant seem to find any. All the reviews on pinnacle are pretty decent. Anyone have any hands on experience?

Hi Arin with Pinnacle Speakers here to assist with any questions.
here's a link to our review pages.
http://pinnaclespeakers.com/reviews.html We have many product reviews from the critical industry press. As our founder and President, Rich Rothenberg is a musician and drummer, we are particularly passionate about bass and subwoofers. Baby Boomer and many other products have reviews here.

pinnaclespeakers wrote:Hi Arin with Pinnacle Speakers here to assist with any questions.
here's a link to our review pages.
http://pinnaclespeakers.com/reviews.html We have many product reviews from the critical industry press. As our founder and President, Rich Rothenberg is a musician and drummer, we are particularly passionate about bass and subwoofers. Baby Boomer and many other products have reviews here.

Thanks for joining us Ann!

I am new to woofers and sound bars. Just moved into a bigger place, and have a nice tv (sony bravia 46 inch), but don't have a receiver or speakers for it. TV has great sound already, but going to put it in a large finished basement and want to also use it for music, in addition to TV.

What do you recommend? I have read about pinnacle for a while now, and hear it is a very quality product. I dont want to deal with wires, so was just thinking sound bar. But could be talked into getting a sub woofer if the bar itself is not enough.

lmaxwellb wrote:I am new to woofers and sound bars. Just moved into a bigger place, and have a nice tv (sony bravia 46 inch), but don't have a receiver or speakers for it. TV has great sound already, but going to put it in a large finished basement and want to also use it for music, in addition to TV.

What do you recommend? I have read about pinnacle for a while now, and hear it is a very quality product. I dont want to deal with wires, so was just thinking sound bar. But could be talked into getting a sub woofer if the bar itself is not enough.

Also, guess I would need to but a receiver as well?

lmaxwellb wrote:Also, guess I would need to but a receiver as well?

The SoundBar (or Speakerbar) is a excellent solution for front left, front right and center channels all housed in 1 enclosure (as opposed to 3 individual speakers) Actually Pinnacle invented the category in 2003. The SoundBar or SpeakerBar does not provide low frequency response below about 90HZ but it does provide and is intended to deliver exceptional sound quality for voices. So in movies you will hear the voices very clear and accurately,and undistorted even at very high volumes. You really need the subwoofer to gain the fullness from action sequences that only a subwoofer can provide. The subwoofer is really a requirement, in our view. This promo has 2 exceptional and compact (small footprint) subwoofers. If the room or listening area exceeds 200 Square feet, I suggest the Baby Boomer. If the subwoofer is being placed inside a wall unit then we suggest SubCompact 8. The Baby Boomer design uses two (2) 8" bass drivers both housed in 1 small cabinet. Technical desing name is BIPOLE. It is like getting 2 subwoofers in 1 enclosure. As for receivers, likely you would want to get one and there are many quality receivers on the market. Just make sure you purchase a 5.1 or 7.1 format,which is virtually automatic in today's market. I hope this has helped clarify your questions.

Hmm... trying to decide which of the 5.1 setups to buy. It appears that the only difference is a bigger sub. Hmm... decisions, decisions.

pinnaclespeakers wrote:The SoundBar (or Speakerbar) is a excellent solution for front left, front right and center channels all housed in 1 enclosure (as opposed to 3 individual speakers) Actually Pinnacle invented the category in 2003. The SoundBar or SpeakerBar does not provide low frequency response below about 90HZ but it does provide and is intended to deliver exceptional sound quality for voices. So in movies you will hear the voices very clear and accurately,and undistorted even at very high volumes. You really need the subwoofer to gain the fullness from action sequences that only a subwoofer can provide. The subwoofer is really a requirement, in our view. This promo has 2 exceptional and compact (small footprint) subwoofers. If the room or listening area exceeds 200 Square feet, I suggest the Baby Boomer. If the subwoofer is being placed inside a wall unit then we suggest SubCompact 8. The Baby Boomer design uses two (2) 8" bass drivers both housed in 1 small cabinet. Technical desing name is BIPOLE. It is like getting 2 subwoofers in 1 enclosure. As for receivers, likely you would want to get one and there are many quality receivers on the market. Just make sure you purchase a 5.1 or 7.1 format,which is virtually automatic in today's market. I hope this has helped clarify your questions.

umm, clarification. You need a reciever for a 5.1 or 7.1 system, not with a speakerbar/subwoofer combo.
that might not be clear to a stereo freshman. (i know it wasn't for me when i was looking)

in general for larger spaces you want a real surround sound system 5 or 7.1 (the .1 is the subwoofer, the first number is # of speakers)

is this an old skool soundbar? I've seen others with bild in subwoofla.

And does this soundbar create virtual surround sound via electronic gizmo processing like the SRS trusurround stuff?


...edit....the soundbar has speaker bindings..so it looks like I need a separate amflipier instead of taking the digital out from my teevee.

syninthecity wrote:umm, clarification. You need a reciever for a 5.1 or 7.1 system, not with a speakerbar/subwoofer combo.
that might not be clear to a stereo freshman. (i know it wasn't for me when i was looking)

in general for larger spaces you want a real surround sound system 5 or 7.1 (the .1 is the subwoofer, the first number is # of speakers)

Yo dawg, I heard you like to clarify, so I made a clarification for your clarification, so you can clarify your clarification.



The sound bar looks like it only has speaker-level inputs so where do suppose the power and signal would come from? A receiver, or an amplifier. A receiver has a decoder integrated with multiple amplifiers for multiple channels.

w00tfi wrote:Hmm... trying to decide which of the 5.1 setups to buy. It appears that the only difference is a bigger sub. Hmm... decisions, decisions.

It seems the other difference is that the Left, and Right are 3-element speakers (1000W) vs 2-element (700W).
Seriously considering the 700W set.
Any owners of these sets can chime in on their sound quality? Thanks.

Onto the subwoofla since the soundbar is passive.

Some interweb sites lists the baby boomer as 600w peak and 375w rms? what kind of amp is it (besides being old skoo1 class AB) is it 2x50 watt amps that are bridged to 200w and running thru the drivers in parallel to give around 375w out output? Or is it a 200w amp driving 2 wooflers?

Plus is the baby boomer low end response naturally rolls off at 23hz (-3dB)or is it equalized at the line level before it is amplified and fed to the wooflers. I am asking bcuz if the natural rolloff at 23hz is -9dB, but the internal EQ rolls up the signal to +6dB at 23hz, then there is really the equiv of 150w output at 23hz..the freq range where u really need those geegawatz.

Regarding the Supersonic, it seems to be a push-push design instead of a push-pull design with one of the woofler mounted in the opposite direction. Wouldn't the push-push design magnify any non-linearities in the range of travel of the woofler?

esteebin wrote:It seems the other difference is that the Left, and Right are 3-element speakers (1000W) vs 2-element (700W).
Seriously considering the 700W set.
Any owners of these sets can chime in on their sound quality? Thanks.

these seem to be lightweights not able to achieve reference level. such little speakers enclosures cannot have the required efficiency unless it got some serious magnets in there, and those tweeters doesn't seem to have any horn loading to optimize its dispersion and efficiency.

As for the center channel, MTM design decreases horizontal dispersion, thus is only good for a few viewers. You might have to put that center speaker vertically.

I bought the 700w 5.1 system when offered last time. It shipped fast and I wasted no time replacing my bose cubes and passive subwoofer with the new Pinnacle goods. WHAT A DIFFERENCE! My 10 year old daughter came home after I installed the Pinnacle and immediately commented on how much better the TV sounded. The subwoofer is powerful but easy to adjust to your desired level. I actually only connected the Right, Left, and Center speakers and they are richer and fuller than the Bose by an order of magnitude. I'm really happy with this product.

Howdy, see my post below (above?)... I really like the 700w 5.1 setup!

esteebin wrote:It seems the other difference is that the Left, and Right are 3-element speakers (1000W) vs 2-element (700W).
Seriously considering the 700W set.
Any owners of these sets can chime in on their sound quality? Thanks.

AndrewSII wrote:I bought the 700w 5.1 system when offered last time. It shipped fast and I wasted no time replacing my bose cubes and passive subwoofer with the new Pinnacle goods. WHAT A DIFFERENCE! My 10 year old daughter came home after I installed the Pinnacle and immediately commented on how much better the TV sounded. The subwoofer is powerful but easy to adjust to your desired level. I actually only connected the Right, Left, and Center speakers and they are richer and fuller than the Bose by an order of magnitude. I'm really happy with this product.

Glad you got out of Bose, lots of overrated hype in their stuff. Sounds nice but it's so overpriced for what goes into the items. Some of their old speakers were quality but even then they cost a pretty penny.

I had some 401's and I wasn't impressed, and the prices on headphones (which turn to crap, I've seen several pairs disintegrate) and the shelf radio systems as well as 2.1/5.1 sets are astronomical.
A good receiver with high-power surround drivers and quality decoding mated with even decent drivers = all you need. Upgrade to premium units later (or now with woot) and you'll just keep smiling with every step.
Although I'd get nice speakers and upgrade the amp asap afterward, better bang-for-buck as long as you don't under-power and over-drive your speakers (low power @ high volume will damage them)
Fun stuff.

lwang wrote:is this an old skool soundbar? I've seen others with bild in subwoofla.

And does this soundbar create virtual surround sound via electronic gizmo processing like the SRS trusurround stuff?


...edit....the soundbar has speaker bindings..so it looks like I need a separate amflipier instead of taking the digital out from my teevee.

Good morning. Arin with Pinnacle Speakers here. The QP7 is a Passive (non Powerered)SpeakerBAr. Passive, meaning it does not have a built in amplifier or "virtual" surround" and needs to be hooked up through a receiver or to some TV's that have their own amplifier built in (not typical) It is an exceptional performer and requires a stereo receiver. A format of what the industry calls 2.1 using a powered speaker Bar and powered subwoofer all in 1 box typically are not acoustically comparable to these items until the price range is far greater. So, powered soundbars and powered subwoofer in a "BUNDLE" would acoustically compare to these items only once you surpass about $1,500 or so in price.

lwang wrote:Onto the subwoofla since the soundbar is passive.

Some interweb sites lists the baby boomer as 600w peak and 375w rms? what kind of amp is it (besides being old skoo1 class AB) is it 2x50 watt amps that are bridged to 200w and running thru the drivers in parallel to give around 375w out output? Or is it a 200w amp driving 2 wooflers?

Plus is the baby boomer low end response naturally rolls off at 23hz (-3dB)or is it equalized at the line level before it is amplified and fed to the wooflers. I am asking bcuz if the natural rolloff at 23hz is -9dB, but the internal EQ rolls up the signal to +6dB at 23hz, then there is really the equiv of 150w output at 23hz..the freq range where u really need those geegawatz.

Regarding the Supersonic, it seems to be a push-push design instead of a push-pull design with one of the woofler mounted in the opposite direction. Wouldn't the push-push design magnify any non-linearities in the range of travel of the woofler?

Hi Pinnacle Speakers here. Seems like some real audio experts out there. Neat! I will try and clarify some points on the Baby Boomer amplifer watts and low end response rating. The Baby Boomer uses 1 300 Watts RMS Amp driving 2 active 8" woofers, which in effect increases the amplifiers output to 600 watts total. Watts in and of themselves are not a reflection of performance at all. This particular design is a sealed (non-ported) and extremely compact enclosure. The small footprint is desired by many people who I didn't cheat! or have room for a massive "COFFEE TABLE" sized subwoofer but want excellent deep and powerful bass. To acheive the bass in a small footprint, we need a very high powered amp to push 2 drivers in a sealed box. Because there is no port or vent means the air pressure inside the cabinet builds up and the only way to move the woofers is with a very high powered amp. Alternatively,a ported design allows the air moved by the woofers to escape the cabinet, and the release of that air pressure through the vent reduces the need for a larger amplifier, but will also increase the cabinet size. Bottom line, the watts is simply a requirement of the design approach, small footprint, sealed system, deep bass output. As to spec. The President of Pinnacle is in charge of Engineering and all Pinnacle acoustic engineers are themselves musicians. They determine specs and our Specs are conservative. The spec of 23Hz @ -3db is True (not stretched by the marketing department) Where we include specs of say +- 6 db, like we do with some products in the Black Diamond Series, we always state the 3db and 6 db spec so you know the difference. In the case of the Baby Boomer the low end response is 23Hz @ -3Db which means it is very audible and you will both hear it and feel the bass @ 23Hz. If it were -9Db you would not have much if any audible output and we simply do not spec our products that way. You will hear and feel this sub at 23Hz.

pinnaclespeakers wrote:Hi Pinnacle Speakers here. Seems like some real audio experts out there. Neat! I will try and clarify some points on the Baby Boomer amplifer watts and low end response rating. The Baby Boomer uses 1 300 Watts RMS Amp driving 2 active 8" woofers, which in effect increases the amplifiers output to 600 watts total. Watts in and of themselves are not a reflection of performance at all. This particular design is a sealed (non-ported) and extremely compact enclosure. The small footprint is desired by many people who I didn't cheat! or have room for a massive "COFFEE TABLE" sized subwoofer but want excellent deep and powerful bass. To acheive the bass in a small footprint, we need a very high powered amp to push 2 drivers in a sealed box. Because there is no port or vent means the air pressure inside the cabinet builds up and the only way to move the woofers is with a very high powered amp. Alternatively,a ported design allows the air moved by the woofers to escape the cabinet, and the release of that air pressure through the vent reduces the need for a larger amplifier, but will also increase the cabinet size. Bottom line, the watts is simply a requirement of the design approach, small footprint, sealed system, deep bass output. As to spec. The President of Pinnacle is in charge of Engineering and all Pinnacle acoustic engineers are themselves musicians. They determine specs and our Specs are conservative. The spec of 23Hz @ -3db is True (not stretched by the marketing department) Where we include specs of say +- 6 db, like we do with some products in the Black Diamond Series, we always state the 3db and 6 db spec so you know the difference. In the case of the Baby Boomer the low end response is 23Hz @ -3Db which means it is very audible and you will both hear it and feel the bass @ 23Hz. If it were -9Db you would not have much if any audible output and we simply do not spec our products that way. You will hear and feel this sub at 23Hz.

Hi Pinnacle Speakers here. Seems like some real audio experts out there. Neat! I will try and clarify some points on the Baby Boomer amplifer watts and low end response rating. The Baby Boomer uses 1 300 Watts RMS Amp driving 2 active 8" woofers, which in effect increases the amplifiers output to 600 watts total. Watts in and of themselves are not a reflection of performance at all. This particular design is a sealed (non-ported) and extremely compact enclosure. The small footprint is desired by many people who I didn't cheat! or have room for a massive "COFFEE TABLE" sized subwoofer but want excellent deep and powerful bass. To acheive the bass in a small footprint, we need a very high powered amp to push 2 drivers in a sealed box. Because there is no port or vent means the air pressure inside the cabinet builds up and the only way to move the woofers is with a very high powered amp. Alternatively,a ported design allows the air moved by the woofers to escape the cabinet, and the release of that air pressure through the vent reduces the need for a larger amplifier, but will also increase the cabinet size. Bottom line, the watts is simply a requirement of the design approach, small footprint, sealed system, deep bass output. As to spec. The President of Pinnacle is in charge of Engineering and all Pinnacle acoustic engineers are themselves musicians. They determine specs and our Specs are conservative. The spec of 23Hz @ -3db is True (not stretched by the marketing department) Where we include specs of say +- 6 db, like we do with some products in the Black Diamond Series, we always state the 3db and 6 db spec so you know the difference. In the case of the Baby Boomer the low end response is 23Hz @ -3Db which means it is very audible and you will both hear it and feel the bass @ 23Hz. If it were -9Db you would not have much if any audible output and we simply do not spec our products that way. You will hear and feel this sub at 23Hz.

(MOD NOTE - edited duplicate info.)

AndrewSII wrote:Howdy, see my post below (above?)... I really like the 700w 5.1 setup!

That is correct. The front left and Front right and Center are all identical in the MB 11500+. The 3 driver configuration handles more power, and may be preferred for loud music listening or in a larger room. The MB 11500+ also has a 12" subwoofer which is good in a larger room or with high ceilings. In either instance the products are from our flagship BD Series.

pinnaclespeakers wrote:Hi Pinnacle Speakers here. Seems like some real audio experts out there. Neat! I will try and clarify some points on the Baby Boomer amplifer watts and low end response rating. The Baby Boomer uses 1 300 Watts RMS Amp driving 2 active 8" woofers, which in effect increases the amplifiers output to 600 watts total. Watts in and of themselves are not a reflection of performance at all. This particular design is a sealed (non-ported) and extremely compact enclosure. The small footprint is desired by many people who I didn't cheat! or have room for a massive "COFFEE TABLE" sized subwoofer but want excellent deep and powerful bass. To acheive the bass in a small footprint, we need a very high powered amp to push 2 drivers in a sealed box. Because there is no port or vent means the air pressure inside the cabinet builds up and the only way to move the woofers is with a very high powered amp. Alternatively,a ported design allows the air moved by the woofers to escape the cabinet, and the release of that air pressure through the vent reduces the need for a larger amplifier, but will also increase the cabinet size. Bottom line, the watts is simply a requirement of the design approach, small footprint, sealed system, deep bass output. As to spec. The President of Pinnacle is in charge of Engineering and all Pinnacle acoustic engineers are themselves musicians. They determine specs and our Specs are conservative. The spec of 23Hz @ -3db is True (not stretched by the marketing department) Where we include specs of say +- 6 db, like we do with some products in the Black Diamond Series, we always state the 3db and 6 db spec so you know the difference. In the case of the Baby Boomer the low end response is 23Hz @ -3Db which means it is very audible and you will both hear it and feel the bass @ 23Hz. If it were -9Db you would not have much if any audible output and we simply do not spec our products that way. You will hear and feel this sub at 23Hz.

not sure if my question is answered...I know a speaker could have ruler flat freq resp by doing some EQ'ing on the electronic section of the power amp. But I am wondering if the baby boomer naturally goes to 23hz w/o electronic EQing. Its like if I get a Blowse subwoofla and put a parametric EQ before it and make it ruler flat to 20hz. But the 40dB boost at 20hz would mean it can barely make any sound at 20hz before the woofla or amflipier runs out of steam.

I presume the natural freq resp of the 2x8in wooflas in that little box means they will start to roll off at 60-80hz and u need some electronic EQ to make it flat. I see u have other models with a platter connected to floppy rubber rings which vibrates at a lower freq than the woofla is able to make sound at, thus extending the natural freq resp a bit. But I don't see that feature in this model.

lwang wrote:not sure if my question is answered...I know a speaker could have ruler flat freq resp by doing some EQ'ing on the electronic section of the power amp. But I am wondering if the baby boomer naturally goes to 23hz w/o electronic EQing. Its like if I get a Blowse subwoofla and put a parametric EQ before it and make it ruler flat to 20hz. But the 40dB boost at 20hz would mean it can barely make any sound at 20hz before the woofla or amflipier runs out of steam.

I presume the natural freq resp of the 2x8in wooflas in that little box means they will start to roll off at 60-80hz and u need some electronic EQ to make it flat. I see u have other models with a platter connected to floppy rubber rings which vibrates at a lower freq than the woofla is able to make sound at, thus extending the natural freq resp a bit. But I don't see that feature in this model.

This subwoofer is as specified. 23Hz @ - 3 DB, The Maximum SPL # is around 106DB. Very significant especially for a compact format. Our Acoustic engineers have an average experience at Pinnacle of 21 years. How they perform thier magic is on a product by product basis from the ground up.

pinnaclespeakers wrote:Hi Pinnacle Speakers here. Seems like some real audio experts out there. Neat! I will try and clarify some points on the Baby Boomer amplifer watts and low end response rating. The Baby Boomer uses 1 300 Watts RMS Amp driving 2 active 8" woofers, which in effect increases the amplifiers output to 600 watts total. Watts in and of themselves are not a reflection of performance at all. This particular design is a sealed (non-ported) and extremely compact enclosure. The small footprint is desired by many people who I didn't cheat! or have room for a massive "COFFEE TABLE" sized subwoofer but want excellent deep and powerful bass. To acheive the bass in a small footprint, we need a very high powered amp to push 2 drivers in a sealed box. Because there is no port or vent means the air pressure inside the cabinet builds up and the only way to move the woofers is with a very high powered amp. Alternatively,a ported design allows the air moved by the woofers to escape the cabinet, and the release of that air pressure through the vent reduces the need for a larger amplifier, but will also increase the cabinet size. Bottom line, the watts is simply a requirement of the design approach, small footprint, sealed system, deep bass output. As to spec. The President of Pinnacle is in charge of Engineering and all Pinnacle acoustic engineers are themselves musicians. They determine specs and our Specs are conservative. The spec of 23Hz @ -3db is True (not stretched by the marketing department) Where we include specs of say +- 6 db, like we do with some products in the Black Diamond Series, we always state the 3db and 6 db spec so you know the difference. In the case of the Baby Boomer the low end response is 23Hz @ -3Db which means it is very audible and you will both hear it and feel the bass @ 23Hz. If it were -9Db you would not have much if any audible output and we simply do not spec our products that way. You will hear and feel this sub at 23Hz.

Regards. all I just bought........

There is some good info as well as reviews from users on this forum.

tacopie wrote:The 12" Subwoofer is screaming my name.

Has anyone had exp with Pinnacle, that can throw in their opinion?

Get it!!! DO IT!!!

mthoodrue wrote:Get it!!! DO IT!!!

Arin With Pinnacle Speakers here. I would also like to let you know all the subwoofers are manufactured in our factory on Long Island. These are American made products, bench tested Quality control and spec requirements for accuracy before they leave our factory.

how does the Pinnacle 5.1 compare with the Energy 5.1 Take Classic?
Are these Pinnacle's refurbished? Compared with other sites, woot price seems great.

Know of any good cheap receivers that can power the 700 w speakers?

Nenaptio wrote:Know of any good cheap receivers that can power the 700 w speakers?

You might want to put a price range on that request. With out additional info I would suggest looking for a few year old model Onkyo, Denon, or Pioneer with good reviews either used or refurbed. Likely you'll have to forgo networking related features, and things like on board apps or airplay, but they'll still power the speakers and sound great.

I would just want the minimum that can play these speakers.
My price range currently, would be optimally be below $100 but $200 max.

If possible, please list out the products in each price range, from lowest to medium, to best. Also including bang for the buck items.

I hope I'm not asking for too much.

Sportzcoop wrote:You might want to put a price range on that request. With out additional info I would suggest looking for a few year old model Onkyo, Denon, or Pioneer with good reviews either used or refurbed. Likely you'll have to forgo networking related features, and things like on board apps or airplay, but they'll still power the speakers and sound great.