"Here's the gist on the TVs: LED TVs generally have sharper images, thinner profiles, and are more energy efficient than LCD TVs."

Sharper images? Since when does the lighting method increase sharpness?

LCD is cheaper SHORT TERM, but LED is much cheaper to run long-term. You can pay the piper NOW, or pay the electric company later- your choice.

LCD TV's- you can feel the heat of the fluorescent bulbs. LED TV's are cool to run.

There is more than one model of the 46" LED TV. I actually own one and have owned one for 2 years and I love it. But the models have changed in terms of refresh rate and features.

Why can't I find the model number listed? I paid $1500 for mine (which was a steal from newegg at the time)

I'd pull the trigger on these if Woot bothered to include a model number.

Tough to do research without those numbers. Too many lemons out there to risk it.

Samsung is the best. but they don't manufacturer all their panels. True Samsung LED tv's w/ Sammy panels are the bomb.

An LED tv IS an LCD tv. However, the LCD tvs that people so commonly refer to have ccfl(cold cathode fluorescent lighting). An LED tv replaces that with an LED array, generally a ring around the edge.

Basically, LEDs are less fragile, more reliable and use less energy than ccfl, but if the display panel in the tv is identical in both these models, and the 'LCD' is cheaper, go for it. You won't notice a difference unless you are a real videophile.

ThunderThighs wrote:Hi there! I just put in a call for the model numbers. Sorry about that!

I have the UN55B7000 and it's a great set. Just make sure you turn off the auto contrast feature that darkens the screen in dark scenes to 'enhance' the picture. It's really jarring when that happens so suddenly.

The LED is UN46D6000SFXZA
The non LED is LN46C530F1FXZA

If you click through to the "I Want One" it shows the model number on the order confirmation screen.

D6000 LED is hackable using Samygo, depending on firmware. Gets you all kinds of goodies instead of the basic net-enabled apps. DLNA, etc.

sweet.

"Samsung 46" 1080p LCD or LED HDTV" they are both LCD tvs... more appropriate would be "Samsung 46" 1080p CCFL or LED LCD HDTV"

I agree with those who already posted, stating that it is difficult to research or pull the trigger without the actual M/Ns.





The fourth image for the LED-backlit model shows the overall back of the unit, but not the connectors closely enough. The specifications tab shows that the LED-backlit model can decode QAM but has no F-connector for RF signal input. While possible, that just seems, well, implausible. Aside from being contradictory, additionally, without a tuner, it would be more of a monitor than a television in that one would need another device to provide a N/ATSC-encoded signal. Is my thinking incorrect?

Part #: UN46D6000SFXZA
Product Description: Samsung UN46D6000, 46" Class ( 45.9" viewable ) LED-backlit LCD TV
Product Type: LED-backlit LCD TV
Diagonal Size: 46" Class ( 45.9" viewable ), widescreen
Dimensions (WxDxH): 42.9 in x 10.8 in x 28.1 in, with stand
Weight: 37.7 lbs
Color: Stone black
Digital Television Certification: HDTV
Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Display Format: 1080p (FullHD)
Enhanced Refresh Rate: 120 Hz
Motion Enhancement Technology: Auto Motion Plus 120Hz
Video Interface: Component, composite, HDMI
HDMI Ports Qty: 4 port(s)
HDCP Compatible: Yes
Technology: TFT active matrix
LCD Backlight Technology: LED backlight
Progressive Scan: Yes
Image Aspect Ratio: 16:9
Digital TV Tuner: ATSC, QAM
Internet Streaming Services: Samsung Smart TV
Additional Features: On/off timer, clock, on-screen menu, DLnA, Anynet Plus, Touch of Color (ToC), ultra clear panel, AllShare, ConnectShare Movie, Samsung Apps, Wide Color Enhancer Plus, Samsung Smart TV
Sound Output Mode: Stereo
Speaker System: 2 speakers
Sound Effects: SRS TruSurround HD
USB Port: Yes , 3 port(s)
Remote Control: Remote control, infrared
Environmental Standards: ENERGY STAR Qualified
Manufacturer Warranty: 1 year warranty

I'm stuck with my old, but reliable 10yr old flat WS CRT Samsung Tantus TSK3092WF...so I'm still off the market for any one of these Woot 46" Samsung led/lcd tv. Bummer...

On the bright side, I'm on an LG 32" lcd tv I use right now as I type this...as a pc monitor.

photinus wrote:
The non LED is LN46C530F1FXZA

I would warn EVERYONE away from this LCD. My father and one of my buddies had the 52" of this model (530) and both of them had capacitors fail on their power supply. My friend after 1 year (just as the warranty expired), my father after 3. It is a known issue: http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7403
I ended up replacing the caps in 1 set ($15) and replacing the whole power board on the other (around $100 on ebay)

When your screen starts turning off on it starts taking a while to 'warm up' before giving you any picture, here's a link to the part on ebay http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=BN44-00341A&_sacat=0&_odkw=ln-46c530&_osacat=0&_from=R40 if you don't feel comfortable desoldering and replacing your caps.

My understanding is led tv's can be edge lit (led's at edge of screen and diffuser evenly illuminates whole area) or the other kind (led's distributed evenly over screen area). Is this distinction ever made in product specs?

Not sure why I am joining the discussion on this one. You could say they are made from genuine horse manure and these will still sell out in record time.

And they should.

And they will.

I have the LED version, and only had to buy it twice! Why twice you ask? Lemon? Spec upgrade? Second room? Luxurious bathroom installation?

Nope.

Theft.

Plain and simple kick-the-door-in-while-you're-at-work-like-good-folks-because-you-have-insurance-and-you-couldn't-steal-a-tube-this-big-without-back-surgery-and-I'll-kick-your-dog-on-my-way-out-for-fun theft.

Bought the exact same TV again without so much as a click to compare it to another model. Will do it again, except this time there is a larger dog in the picture.

If you know what I mean.

Best TV ever for my dollars, and I paid well over $1000 each time.

Does the LED model support RVU tech? I would like to use it with my directv HMC, which according to directv website is featured in the 6000 series, but it doesn't list it as a feature here or on samsung's site...

Finally... An LED.

What are the chances something like this will survive shipping to NY?

The current (on the shelf, retail) model of the LED 6000 series has dropped to 2 (!!) HDMI ports and loses the SMART features. Sure, a few specs have improved, but I can't SEE the difference. Shhh. . .

Only my wallet will know. . .

kuma99 wrote:LCD is cheaper SHORT TERM, but LED is much cheaper to run long-term. You can pay the piper NOW, or pay the electric company later- your choice.

LCD TV's- you can feel the heat of the fluorescent bulbs. LED TV's are cool to run.

I wonder what your source is for this... and wonder how many years you would have to run a tv that's slightly cheaper to maintain to recoup the extra money paid. LED is better for power and video quality, but I don't think it ends up being cheaper at all unless you have the same tv for a long time.

Is there any mention of wifi built in or enabled? Or is this one you need to have a dongle for on either version?

chayen23 wrote:Is there any mention of wifi built in or enabled? Or is this one you need to have a dongle for on either version?

Requires a LinkStick -$50
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs-accessories/WIS12ABGNX/XAA

UN46EH6000 Is this year's model of the Led set. Better reviews on Amazon and $763.53 brand new. I think it's a better value for a little extra money to get a newer model with a factory warranty. Edit: just saw the newer model loses the built-in apps to bring the price down. I don't need it, because I have media center extenders, but it might be something you can't live without.

Does anyone know the Hz on these models? And not the clear motion rate. I've been reading those numbers are inflated. My guess these are 60hz but I can find it in the specs.

sshingle19 wrote:Does anyone know the Hz on these models? And not the clear motion rate. I've been reading those numbers are inflated.

Amazon says 120Hz refresh, but Samsung doesn't release refresh rate in their specs anymore, so take it with a grain of salt.

ThunderThighs wrote:Hi there! I just put in a call for the model numbers. Sorry about that!


Model numbers have been added:

LCD: Model LN46C530F1FXZA
LED: Model UN46D6000SFXZA

Thank you, I needed that info. I'm waiting for something at or above the 7000 series.

werdwerdus wrote:"Samsung 46" 1080p LCD or LED HDTV" they are both LCD tvs... more appropriate would be "Samsung 46" 1080p CCFL or LED LCD HDTV"

So true. I have a true LED monitor at work. They are very expensive and are just for the broadcast/video production market now. Since the true LED market share will grow and they will eventually replace LCDs we should stop calling LCDs "LEDs" NOW. Otherwise, we will end up with a marketing genius naming battle with goofy names like Dimensia or Colortrak2000. Both were RCA models.

Can anyone comment if these screens are prone to getting a glare on them? Currently I have a plasma and the glare is rough during the day

This is a great TV. I have the LED version. But if woot is sending this from purfect refurbs company dont buy it. They suck!!! I got a TV from them it didn't work from the second I got it. I had to pay for shipping to send it back. They sent it back and it was packed poorly and the TV was damaged on the frame and it still wasn't fixed. It was doing the same thing it was when I send it back the first time.

kuma99 wrote:LCD is cheaper SHORT TERM, but LED is much cheaper to run long-term. You can pay the piper NOW, or pay the electric company later- your choice.

Not really.

http://reviews.cnet.com/green-tech/tv-consumption-chart/

They don't have these exact models, but lets compare the Samsung LN46A950 (LED) to the Samsung LN46A750 (CCFL), both are 46 inch panels. Out of the box, the CCFL display measured 184 watts, while the LED display measured 145. That's a difference of $8.41 per year. At that rate, it will take 22 years to pay off the difference. (Assuming today's Woot models have similar usage) That's IF you don't calibrate it either. Their calibrated figure actually places the CCFL wattage lower than the LED model.

n00sh wrote:Can anyone comment if these screens are prone to getting a glare on them? Currently I have a plasma and the glare is rough during the day

FYI according to live chat on Samsungs website, both of these models have glossy screens so glare is more likely

rollick wrote:My understanding is led tv's can be edge lit (led's at edge of screen and diffuser evenly illuminates whole area) or the other kind (led's distributed evenly over screen area). Is this distinction ever made in product specs?

No, normally you would see whether the product was edge-lit or back-lit. The product specs on Woot don't indicate this, but kuma99's post indicates that it is a back-lit TV (which is better than edge-lit, even illumination, saturation, contrast, etc).

kuma99 wrote:I'd pull the trigger on these if Woot bothered to include a model number.

Tough to do research without those numbers. Too many lemons out there to risk it.

Samsung is the best. but they don't manufacturer all their panels. True Samsung LED tv's w/ Sammy panels are the bomb.

LCD: Model LN46C530F1FXZA
LED: Model UN46D6000SFXZA
It is listed under Specs tab.

Is it me, or do LED TV pictures look funny? I had a Samsung LCD and recently got a Samsung LED; to me, the LCD looked more life-like, whereas the LED looks like some goofy half-rear-ended quasi-3D picture. For sports the difference isn't as pronounced as filmed TV shows/movies.

I am so close to pulling the trigger on the LED. We have been shopping around are are sure this is the one we want. The only thing I am unsure about is the refurbished factor. Has anyone bought a refurb from Woot before? Any reassurances? Anyone think it's not worth the risk?

I saw the one someone mentioned on Amazon, I believe it was ~$769 brand new for a similar model, but that one wasn't the slim model. :/

zxinfinity wrote:No, normally you would see whether the product was edge-lit or back-lit. The product specs on Woot don't indicate this, but kuma99's post indicates that it is a back-lit TV (which is better than edge-lit, even illumination, saturation, contrast, etc).

Sorry, but this is incorrect.

There are actually two properties of the lighting that affect picture quality, Edge-Lit vs Full Array, and whether or not it is Local Dimming.

The LED lit model is Edge-Lit without local dimming, as most LED TV's are these days. Full array without local dimming will not look any better.

Here is an excellent explanation of the differences, which I will summarize thusly: You get what you pay for.

If you want a full array with local dimming (the best possible screen quality) you will pay at least a grand for it. (See the Sony Bravia and the Vizio XVT 3D Series) The differences between this model and the expensive ones are noticeable, but things like ambient lighting and the paint color on the wall behind the TV will have a far greater affect on your viewing experience.

Don't buy the a TV for "Samsung Apps". Samsung Electronics is historically very quick to drop support for last-year's products, so when Netflix changes their interface in 2013, odds are your 2012 Samsung TV won't get the update.

For Internety TV, you'll get more mileage out of $100 spent on a set top box like an Apple TV than spent on features built-in into a television set.