I'm in between 2 and 3. I do more than just surf the web but I'm nowhere near fancy land. Ever since switching to a Mac around 2006, I've had to do little to no maintenance jobs with the absence of viruses. I honestly kind of miss it.

I took the 'RED' Pill...
Hell yeah!
That rabbit hole is DEEP!

trixierix wrote:I'm in between 2 and 3. I do more than just surf the web but I'm nowhere near fancy land. Ever since switching to a Mac around 2006, I've had to do little to no maintenance jobs with the absence of viruses. I honestly kind of miss it.

Been on various Windows iterations since 1998 and never had a virus.

Stupid people get viruses by doing stupid things like going to stupid websites and downloading stupid things. Either you stopped doing stupid things or learned from your mistakes.

curtisuxor wrote:Been on various Windows iterations since 1998 and never had a virus.

Stupid people get viruses by doing stupid things like going to stupid websites and downloading stupid things. Either you stopped doing stupid things or learned from your mistakes.

:clap: Although it's generally true that you get viruses by doing stupid things, even doing stupid things on Macs would rarely get you a virus. Viruses just aren't frequently targeted towards Macs. And THAT is great for those stupid kids doing stupid things like going to stupid websites and downloading stupid things. Stupid kids.

Back to the original intention though, I also switched to a Mac about 7 years ago and I've missed the constant tweaking and troubleshooting. I'm actually building a new computer now because I've missed the challenge of it all.

woot! is a bit nerdier than I imagined, with fully 1/3 claiming to have either advanced programming skills or a neural interface of their own design. I was imagining single digits for both of those choices, even given that the last one has a whimsical sneer that makes it rather appealing.

curtisuxor wrote:Stupid people get viruses by doing stupid things like going to stupid websites and downloading stupid things.

^This^

Though also ignorant people (those that just don't know any better and don'thave anyone to show them) also suffer from it. I don't have issues and I've always been Windows since early 90s in the DOS days. As Apple gains more and more market share viruses will surface and they will likely be effective because most Mac users have the 'it can't happen to me because I'm on a Mac' attitude.

I used to do a lot of programming and what not, but have too many kids and school to get the time for it any more. I can't wait to get back to it...

theotheborg wrote:woot! is a bit nerdier than I imagined, with fully 1/3 claiming to have either advanced programming skills or a neural interface of their own design. I was imagining single digits for both of those choices, even given that the last one has a whimsical sneer that makes it rather appealing.

When woot first started, it garnered a cult following among those who spend the most time on the Internet, ie. those who delve DEEPER than even the dwarves would dare. Those would invariably be those with tech skills.

I personally fit into the second to last cubby hole because I'm a software developer. The only reason I'm not in the final slot is because I have a daytime job to focus on.

By the way, can we release contact info for those with neural interfaces? I'd like to work out a deal with them.

Agree that there should be a choice between 2 & 3. I don't have any programming experience, but I'm an IT Project Manager, albeit a relatively new one. I know enough to get around - again sans programming.

me programmer. i taught turbo pascal when in Grad school for CS in d' mid 80s and have been in this business programming various languages ever since. After so many years, the lightbulb is getting dimmer.

30+ years in various positions, from coder to systems design to network management. Mainframes, PCs and handhelds. Last house, I completely wired, next house wireless. Someday, neural network.

If it uses electrons I'll take a stab at repairing it. Programming? Uh-uh, only the minimal amount needed for troubleshooting and repair. I was competent in DOS, but the last system I trained on used binary coded octal.

I'd like y'all to know that I'm currently using a direct from memory neural digitizer to post this onto the non living internet. Soon enough I'll be using a digital neutralizer to post things directly into the memory banks of the carbon based life forms with the help of my enormous ePeen.

--V'ger taught me everything. The whales are your only salvation.

trixierix wrote:I'm in between 2 and 3. I do more than just surf the web but I'm nowhere near fancy land. Ever since switching to a Mac around 2006, I've had to do little to no maintenance jobs with the absence of viruses. I honestly kind of miss it.

What's a "mac"? Like at MickyDs?

trixierix wrote:I'm in between 2 and 3. I do more than just surf the web but I'm nowhere near fancy land. Ever since switching to a Mac around 2006, I've had to do little to no maintenance jobs with the absence of viruses. I honestly kind of miss it.

What's a "mac"? Like at MickyDs?

trixierix wrote:I'm in between 2 and 3. I do more than just surf the web but I'm nowhere near fancy land. Ever since switching to a Mac around 2006, I've had to do little to no maintenance jobs with the absence of viruses. I honestly kind of miss it.

Now that so many people have switched to Macs that has ended. The only think that really ever kept malware off Macs was rarity --with their recent prominance that has ended.

Malware is always about illicit profit, and there is enough money in hacking Macs now that it's worth the effort for the criminals.

Between 2 and 3 for me as well -- people call me for tech support, but I'm neither interested in nor capable of building my own website.

I'm a veritable grumpy-ass-sys-admin. Combat boots and everything.

In fact, I'm working as I type this... at 4am on a Sunday morning.

curtisuxor wrote:Been on various Windows iterations since 1998 and never had a virus.

Stupid people get viruses by doing stupid things like going to stupid websites and downloading stupid things. Either you stopped doing stupid things or learned from your mistakes.

Yea!! A point I have been trying to make for years!!! When I was very young I started with DOS and PC Shell, I then moved onto Windows and I have NEVER had a virus on my computer. I have helped countless people over the years but those same people also had 7 toolbars for internet explorer and a bunch of craplets and malware. I would never have used the word stupid, but when you can't be bothered to read anything that pops up ever, that at least makes you lazy.

I am somewhere between 3 & 4. I have built many computers, design and maintain several websites, do IT work for a few small businesses. However I only know enough code to ask where the bathroom is. I have purchased a few books and bookmarked some great sites about it, but I have never found the time to really dig into programming.

SumDuud wrote:^This^

Though also ignorant people (those that just don't know any better and don'thave anyone to show them) also suffer from it. I don't have issues and I've always been Windows since early 90s in the DOS days. As Apple gains more and more market share viruses will surface and they will likely be effective because most Mac users have the 'it can't happen to me because I'm on a Mac' attitude.

I used to do a lot of programming and what not, but have too many kids and school to get the time for it any more. I can't wait to get back to it...

I doubt that Apple will take enough market shares to be heavily targeted. Though iOS may be targeted a bit more than Apple user are accustom to the most bang for your evil buck is still Windows.

Here is a breakdown with all OS's

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8

Windows 81.55% Mac 5.96% iOS 6.6%

And one with full blown OS's only

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&qpcustomd=0

Windows 91.74% Mac 7.07%

The ascension of Apple has been really over blown. Their presence in tablet computing has been an impressive growth, but with Win8 & RT it will be very interesting to see if that continues.

lemminghunter wrote:I doubt that Apple will take enough market shares to be heavily targeted. Though iOS may be targeted a bit more than Apple user are accustom to the most bang for your evil buck is still Windows.

Here is a breakdown with all OS's

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8

Windows 81.55% Mac 5.96% iOS 6.6%

And one with full blown OS's only

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&qpcustomd=0

Windows 91.74% Mac 7.07%

The ascension of Apple has been really over blown. Their presence in tablet computing has been an impressive growth, but with Win8 & RT it will be very interesting to see if that continues.

From a theft perspective, Mac users run less security software, are more likely to have more money and less tech knowledge. It's not just about stealing the money, it's about stealing a lot of it and not getting caught.

WinVista Win7 and Win8 are actually pretty secure with just MS Security Essentials now, whereas the only real security for a Mac is CLAM since the other major option (Norton) isn't really all that secure. At one point there was a Trojan called Flashback that had infected about 600,000 Macs in the wild last year including about 275 in Apple's HQ --and Apple's "solution" was to tell people only to download apps from the App Store.

I went back to Solaris after that...

Need an option between 3 & 4. I can code just fine in just about any language tossed at me, done plenty of admin tasks, but I will not pretend to know it all.

For that other stuff: let me search for a number of links and I'll get back to you.

You should have a choice between 3 and 4- and/or between 4 and 5 with a category including application software such as WP, SS, or Desktop Publishing. One can be very tech savvy without an interest in programming.

That's my opinion. If I had time to spend I would enjoy programming, too.

That is might be close to number two,but not.

moose123 wrote:If it uses electrons I'll take a stab at repairing it. Programming? Uh-uh, only the minimal amount needed for troubleshooting and repair. I was competent in DOS, but the last system I trained on used binary coded octal.

Binary coded octal--that takes me back. The system I first trained on used BCD, octal and yes hexadecimal. Not much use these days for knowing that D-A= 3. :-) I was always much better at reading the octal displays.

Since when does "tech savvy" require advanced knowledge in programming? I know brilliant code monkeys who can't even change a light bulb.